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My take on Imputation

Based on a comment from Nick, I’m going to post some thoughts on imputation I figured would be appropriate to form their own post. I’ll be interacting with his comments below.

“Classical Reformed theology teaches that the main reason for breaking away from Rome is that Rome rejected the Biblical teaching on Justification, specifically in regards to Jesus living a life of perfect obedience in our place, and Imputing this perfect obedience (Active Obedience of Christ) to us, so that we appear before God as if we had lived that life of perfect obedience.”

First, this is very simplistic and I think is unhelpful for setting the tone of the conversation. Consider Alister McGrath,

“The leading principle of the Reformation is generally considered to be its doctrine of justification. This is not, in fact, correct. It is certainly true that the articulus iusticationis is the leading feature of the theology of Martin Luther, and that his enormous influence over the evangelical faction within Germany and elsewhere inevitably led to this high estimation being reflected elsewhere. ..Nevertheless, as will become clear, in the present study, the origins of the Reformed church owe little, if anything, to Luther’s insights into justification.”

Its worth briefly noting the via moderna view that had develop during the 16th century. As McGrath puts it,

“Luther’s early interpretation of the iustitita dei was based upon the presuppostion that God, in his equity, rewarded the man who had done quod in se est with justifying grace, sine acceptione personarum. The divine judgment is based solely upon the divine recognition of an individual’s possessing a quality which God is under an obligation to reward…”

I won’t go into greater detail on this (McGrath gives a good overview), but it helps contextualize Luther’s theology in his theological environment, which I think is important for understanding the development of popularized Protestant theories of justification.

Moreover, I think you’re argument is trying to do too much. You claim to have delivered a knock-out punch, to all your foes, but many of them aren’t even in the ring with you on this point.  Not all Protestants believe in imputation and not all Protestants who believe in imputation believe the same things about it. I’m not saying you haven’t pointed out important insights in specific areas, or that certain arguments for imputation are poor, but not all Protestants believe the same thing. This is why, analogously, my argument was never that my argument undermines Catholicism en toto, but rather, that it undercuts the specific arguments presented by conservative Catholic apologists.

Second, debates about the active obedience of Christ have raged from the Westminster Assembly to the present. There are and have been vociferous debates about the validity of the active of obedience of Christ, which is why the WCF (11.1) does not require a belief in the “active obedience of Christ” as articulated by some who believe Christ’s law obedience is reckoned as our own. Instead, the Confession merely makes the active obedience of Christ necessary for his passive obedience.  You’ve correctly identified a flavor of Reformed Protestantism, but certainly not in its entirety–even in the confines of “conservative” Reformed theology. For further reading on the development in the Reformed tradition, you can reference a great book by William B. Evans “Imputation and Impartation.”

Then you said,

“But this view of Justification requires plain Biblical proof, otherwise it can hardly be a reason for starting a Reformation, by which the visible church was torn apart and Christians became bitterly divided. The problem is, there are no clear texts that speak of Imputation of Christ’s Righteouness (especially Active Obedience).”

I would again quibble with the terms you’ve set out. There was no monolithic perspective on justification or imputation in the 16th century–Catholic or Protestant. The reasons for the Reformation are multi-faceted, so even if some of the Reformers are wrong on imputation, there still may have been reason for Reformation. I say that not to get into the discussion, but just so you understand I do not believe your staging for the conversation is helpful.

Setting aside the issue of active obedience, since it is a tertiary issue and actually *not* at the heart of the Reformation, I’ll explore your claim that there are no texts that speak of an imputed, extrinsic righteousness.

Philippians 3 details how Paul had a righteousness according to the Old Covenant law, but he considers his own righteousness as dung, “εὑρεθῶ ἐν αὐτῷ μὴ ἔχων ἐμὴν δικαιοσύνην τὴν ἐκ νόμου ἀλλὰ τὴν διὰ πίστεως Χριστοῦ, τὴν ἐκ θεοῦ δικαιοσύνην ἐπὶ τῇ πίστει” (to be found in [Christ], not having my righteousness which [is] from the law, rather which [is] through faith in Christ, the righteousness of God through faith).

Paul’s own inherent righteousness is garbage while his extrinsic righteousness through faith in Christ is where he wants to be found (this positional language also denotes important extrinsic characteristics). And he makes a parenthetical comment consistent with much of his biblical argument in Romans–true righteousness comes through faith in God’s promises, not in obeying the Old Covenant laws.

In Romans 1 Paul makes an important point that he will continue to drive home throughout much of the first half of Romans. In verse 17 he defines the Gospel, which is for Jew and Gentile: “For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.'”

This leads to a theological question, of what value is faith *without* the object? Whether one finds the notion of imputation a helpful theological category or not,  surely faith itself does not do the saving because faith is lexically defined as trusting in another. Faith is an act of the will, and it is a *good* thing, but faith itself merely trusts in the object of faith.

How does one take hold of the righteousness of God (or the ‘covenant faithfulness’ of Jesus)? By faith (And this is justified by either taking  πίστεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ objectively *or* merely taking Paul’s statement about it being for everyone who has faith εἰς πάντας τοὺς πιστεύοντας). As a result, no one can boast about their status (justified or in the covenant community) because it comes extrinsically. It’s rooted in God’s action in Christ. No works of the law are able to justify one before God, only faith. In fact, even one of the most righteous Jews was not reconciled to God by law-keeping.

That’s why in the beginning of Romans 4 Paul notes that Abraham was not justified by works of the law, but by his faith in God. At the end of Romans 4, Paul concludes his argument by stating that when we “believe in him who raised Jesus from the dead” our sins are forgiven and we are made “righteous.” Again, this is not activity I am involved it. My righteousness is extrinsic. It comes not within me, but it is outside of me and rests in Christ’s work for me. In other words, the story of Abraham being “counted” righteous by his faith in God foreshadows the reality that we also are counted righteous by trusting in God’s action on our behalf.

Similarly, 2 Corinthians 5 speaks to the theological concept of imputation. In verse 18 Paul explains we are new creations and, “All this if from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ( ἐν Χριστῷ), not counting ( μὴ λογιζόμενος) people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us (τὸν μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἁμαρτίαν ἐποίησεν), so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (δικαιοσύνη θεοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ)

The ministry that the Apostle’s were given was specifically that God was not “counting their sins against them.” So while people had committed actual sin, Paul says those sounds are not “counted against them.” On what grounds? Well, God was reconciling the world to himself  “ἐν Χριστῷ.” But what does Paul mean by that? The one ignorant of sin (“τὸν μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν” AKA Jesus), for our account (ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν), was made sin (“ἁμαρτίαν ἐποίησεν” [by God]). In this passage we see God not “imputing” sin to sinners and “making” one without sin a “sinner.” While lexically dissimilar, the  use of ἐποίησεν in v.21 functions grammatically in a manner very similar to the use of λογιζόμενος in v.19.

Even N.T. Wright (an Anglican), who does not believe in imputation as a biblical category, concedes in Paul and the Faithfulness of God  in footnote 309  “…2 Cor 5:21a in which the Messiah was ‘made to be sin for us’ and where something like the traditional ‘imputation’ (‘our’ sins being ‘imputed’ to the Messiah) is still appropriate.”

Continuing on, we could appeal to Galatians wherein Paul goes on in detail about the relationship between faith and works of the law. In Galatians 2, Paul explains the altercation with Peter and concludes “a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ” (Gal 2:16).  All those in Christ Jesus are children of God  through faith (3:26). And if one wants to argue for the subjective genitive here or elsewhere in Galatians (διὰ τῆς πίστεως ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ) then we are all sons of God because of Christ’s faithfulness, in which case, something like imputation is functioning as Christ’s faithfulness imputes benefits to believers.

This is already becoming too long, and my time is short at the moment. I’ll conclude with a few additional thoughts:

  1. In the context of RCC/Protestant dialogue, imputation is *not* the linchpin for the entire “Protestant” theological edifice. Many Protestant biblical scholars reject imputation. As even you note in your article, there are even Reformed ministers who have serious reservations about imputation. This does not mean that imputation is unimportant or that I’m suggesting its unbiblical, rather, I think that protestants in good standing can question imputation.
  2. Even many of those questioning the imputation of Christ’s righteousness still maintain the eschatological and once-for-all nature of justification. I’ll quote N.T. Wright once more on this point,

…some have said that therefore the word ‘justification’ actually denotes the inner transformation which is effected by this indwelling [of the Spirit]. My negative response to this is not driven by any knee-jerk desire to maintain my protestant credentials. Those have long since been taken from me, whether rightly or wrongly…No: my response to the proposal to identify ‘justification’ with the spirit’s transformation is that this is not what the word means, either in itself or in its contexts. ‘Justification’ denotes the divine declaration. This ‘in the right’ is pronounced as an act of utter grace basis of the Messiah’s death…’Justification’ does not take place on the basis of any developed character-change. Nor does the word even denote the first beginnings of that, the work of the spirit by which someone calls the one God ‘Abba’ and believes in the risen Jesus. The word denotes the sovereign declaration of the covenant God. Nor do the adjective ‘righteous’ and the abstract noun ‘righteousness’ denote anything about the change of heart whose first flutterings produce that faith. They denote  the ‘standing’ which the believer has from that moment on, on the basis of the divine declaration, as a full, forgiven member of the single people of the covenant God. And it is because of the spirit, working in this way, that Paul can argue throughout Romans 5-8 that the future verdict announced over the entire life will correspond to the present verdict that has been issued over nothing but pistis (Paul and the Faithfulness of God, pgs. 957-958).

3. Wright’s point here, consistent with the Protestant argument, speaks against Trent’s Sixth Session Chapter 10 & Canon XXIV. This is an important disagreement and one in which even if Wright disagrees with the Reformed on the imputation of Christ’s righteousness, he still agrees on the very important character of justification being by 1) faith alone and 2) being an eschatological, definitive once-for-all action. This doesn’t prove that anything Wright or Protestants say is correct, but it does show how even if one denies imputation (like Wright) he can still come down importantly on the side of the Reformers on justification.

These are some of my thoughts on the question of imputation. I find it a helpful category and that it explains much of the Pauline epistles, specifically Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, & Philippians. Other exegetical and theological arguments could be made, but for me, they are sufficient for me to conclude that imputation is an important biblical category. Nonetheless, even if one is to reject the “traditional” reading of these passages and adopt something like a New Perspective reading, I still believe the eschatological and definitive aspects of justification is an important corrective to errors in Tridentine theology. You’ve attempted to combine the two categories to show that if imputation is flawed, then so also is the Protestant understanding of justification. This is not true, however, which falsifies your argument against the entirety of Protestantism.

9 thoughts on “My take on Imputation

  1. Hi Brandon, I am actually shocked to hear you say that Justification was not the heart of the Reformation. What does McGrath say was at the heart of the Reformation?
    As for Active Obedience of Christ being an “optional” doctrine, I don’t think the majority today or in the past Reformed tradition has allowed it to be optional. I am aware that many Protestants don’t affirm Imputation, but in my book historic Protestantism consists of what solidified into Confessional Lutherans and Confessional Reformed. I don’t think you can really be suggesting that the Federal Vision and New Perspective are truly being faithful to Scripture or historic Protestantism, especially when they seem to be a slippery slope into Catholicism. Plus, it seems the Reformed theologians who so strongly advocated for Imputation/AOC would take a yuge hit to their ‘exegetical credibility’ if these doctrines were found to be wrong/optional.
    Here are my thoughts on your (apparently) chief prooftexts that you said are “sufficient for me to conclude that imputation is an important biblical category.”

    (1) Philippians 3:9. You said “Paul’s own inherent righteousness is garbage while his extrinsic righteousness through faith is where he wants to be found.”

    It seems that you’re projecting “inherent” versus “extrinsic” onto this text, because I don’t see how you got that. Furthermore, based on the AOC doctrine, the righteousness that gets Imputed to you is the *same* righteousness which the Law bestows for perfectly keeping it. This means that if Paul kept the Law perfectly, just as Jesus kept the Law perfectly, then the *same* righteousness must be given to both. It cannot be inherent when one keeps it and extrinsic/forensic when another keeps it. So it seems the only options on the table are that (a) Paul didn’t actually keep the Law perfectly, in which case his “dung” is such because his best effort was tainted with sin and thus he actually needed someone else to keep it in his place, which makes 3:6 a false statement and “faith” here a mere sock-puppet; or (b) that Paul did truly keep the Law and duly had the legal status of “righteousness of the Law” applied to him, but this was relatively now “dung” because the righteousness the Law gives is of a different *kind* than, and inferior to, the “righteousness from God through Jesus”.

    What does Paul say he wants to be found with? Well, to start with Paul’s thesis sentence (3:3): “Look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we [Christians] are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God…” I don’t think worshiping by the Spirit of God or having spiritual circumcision of the heart are Imputation/Forensic categories. They seem very much internal transformational. Paul seems to be saying here (3:2-6) that keeping the (Mosaic) Law outwardly is of limited value, and in fact not where his true peace resides. I think Paul himself also explains just what he means by “righteousness from God” in verse 9, if you look immediately at his next sentence: “that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.” To know the power of the resurrection and sharing his sufferings and becoming like him in his death, this doesn’t’ sound Imputational to me, much less is AOC in view here. The resurrection does not fall within the purview of AOC, yet for Paul the resurrection is crucial aspect of Justification.

    (2) Romans 1:17. I don’t see what about this verse on its own suggests, much less demands, Imputation. It seems like you’re begging the question. Just because the righteousness is by faith and not of works (of the Law) does not mean that righteousness is either (a) imputed or (b) consisting of AOC.

    “The righteous will live by faith” is the key OT prooftext that Paul gives, but what does “living” have to do with Imputation? It seems to me that “live” is an inward quality. St Jerome actually interprets this to mean that those who are already living righteously also still need faith to be saved; as in being a good person is required but it enough. We could say this about Abraham, who was living uprightly from Gen 12-15 yet also needed faith.

    I think it is only responsible to include Paul’s explanation of this verse in Hebrews 10:32ff, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For, the coming one will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him. But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.” Paul is talking within the context of Christians enduring persecution, they refuse to deny Jesus despite the sufferings. This is what “righteous living by faith” is explained as, with the caveat that if you stop and fall away, you won’t be saved in the end. Using the principle of Scripture-interprets-Scripture, I think we must understand it to be: “the righteous will live by faithfulness”. This doesn’t sound at all like Imputation or even living securely now.

    (3) Romans 4:2-3, 25. I’m not sure why you skipped over the bulk of this text, especially 4:18-22. Merely saying that Abraham was not justified by works of the law but by faith does not in itself demonstrate or even suggest Imputation or AOC. And I’d say the same about your allusion to 4:25. In fact, the wording of 4:25 seems to cause serious problems for Imputation and AOC because Paul summarizes the saving work of Jesus as: “was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification”. So AOC is seemingly ruled out here, because per 4:25 the Passion was for dealing with atoning for sin (not an AOC category), and Justification/Righteousness came about by the Resurrection (also not an AOC category, nor necessarily Imputation).

    To say “my righteousness is extrinsic; it comes not within me” is a fallacious claim, because nobody on the Catholic end ever said saving righteousness originates from ourselves, and all agree that God purifies our hearts (Acts 15:9).

    (4) 2 Corinthians 5:18-21. You said in verse 18 Paul explains we are “new creations,” which doesn’t sound like an Imputation/AOC category to me. You then quote the passage, which uses the term “reconciliation” a total of 5 times, which means it’s an important idea, and I think is used more times here than anywhere else. The notion of “reconciling” is that of restoring a broken relationship. It would have to fall into the Adoption category. The only broken relationship we have is that which Adam must have originally had and which we were born needing restored. I don’t think or see how “reconciling” has anything directly to do with Imputation/AOC.

    As for the “not imputing their sins,” we can see Paul is well aware of the term count/reckon/impute. But he only uses it in this verse, and in the negative: sin is NOT imputed. To suggest that it must have been imputed to Jesus instead is fallacious at worst and begging the question at best. Using the principle of Scripture-interprets-Scripture, we can clearly see from Romans 4:7-8 that to “not count sin” is a Hebrew idiom for “forgive sins”. It doesn’t seem that complicated to me. Why doesn’t God count that person to be a sinner anymore? Because He forgave their sins. Based on Romans 4:6, Paul even tells us that to “reckon righteousness” to a person is essentially to forgive them. The only alternative that I can think of is when Paul says in Romans 3 that God mercifully “passed over” sins of the past, so that He could address them at the Cross. I don’t think there is any warrant to suggest that God simply doesn’t regard someone a sinner even though He knows full well that they are. I’m not even sure what that would even be teaching us. Better yet, if you think that our sin was imputed to Jesus, then it was taken off of us, well then that kind of admits that God not reckoning our sins does indeed mean those sins are no longer there. But from a grammatical point of view, if you define “impute” as “transfer,” such that our sins were “transferred to” Jesus, then you must use that same definition with sin such that God was “not transferring our sins,” which hardly makes sense.

    I disagree that the Greek term for “made [sin]” functions very similar to Logizomai. I think they are different ideas being expressed. Even the term “become [righteousness]” is a different term, so we cannot simply assume there’s a parallel going on within v21 itself. If you consult the cross references in the mainstream English translations ESV and NASB, they cross reference Romans 8:3 where Paul says God “sent his son in the likeness of sinful flesh,” which means the Son took on our humanity and became capable of suffering and death. Thus to be “made sin” is simply a way of saying “took on our fallen human nature”. That’s what the principle of Scripture-Interprets-Scripture points to, and finds a consensus of Church Fathers who link 5:21 to Rom8:3. What does it mean to “become the righteousness of God”? The only things mentioned in that context are “new creation,” and “not counting sin” (forgiveness) and “reconciliation,” so these blessings must be what “becoming the righteousness of God in Him” would mean.

    (5) Galatians 2:16; 3:26. I fail to see what a verse dealing with faith versus works of the law is supposed to demonstrate or even suggest Imputation/AOC. The only possible thing it could suggest is that we are indeed saved by works alone, but we needed Jesus to do them for us, and impute them to us by faith. But this seems to be quite a twisted abuse of Scripture, rendering faith a mere sock-puppet status while works of the law really are the saving grace, with the caveat that Jesus did them in our place.

    As for 3:26, I’m not sure what you saying “those in Christ are children of God through faith” is supposed to prove for Imputation/AOC. To become a child of God falls squarely in the Adoption category. I think it’s interesting that Protestants generally don’t point to the actual place Paul literally mentions being “clothed with Christ” (3:27).

    I don’t want to give you a homework assignment, so if the above is too long then feel free to only respond to the parts you think are most important. It seems your most important texts were Phil 3:9 and 2 Cor 5:21.

  2. Thanks, Nick.

    Lots to interact with and so little time. I’ll try to do it piecemeal, if that’s okay.

    1. AOC is “optional.” There is a lot written about it, but I would read some of the work Chad Van Dixhoorn has done on the Westminster Assembly. This is a pretty prevalent concession, even by people like R. Scott Clark, who advocates for AOC. For example, Clark notes that Twisse, Vines, and Gattaker (delegates at the assembly) were opposed to AOC at the Westminster Assembly in Covenant, Justification, & Pastoral Ministry (pg. 235 fn. 26). I understand why you couple AOC/Imputation together–they are commonly held together–but the Reformed tradition has allowed them to stand separate.

    2. You said on 2 Cor 5:19-21, “To suggest that it must have been imputed to Jesus instead is fallacious at worst and begging the question at best.”

    Can you elaborate further? I was attempting to point out the parallel that God does not impute our sins to us (v.18) and God’s making Christ, who had no sin, sin for us. I guess I didn’t state it explicitly, but unless you want to say that God really did make Christ sin, then the grammatical and syntactical implication is that ἐποίησεν functions as μὴ λογιζόμενος. I take Paul to mean A) God did not impute our sin to us but B) Imputed sin to Christ for us so that we could C) become the righteousness of God. How do you interpret the verse?

  3. Hi Brandon,

    I can agree that AOC is optional, in so far as I don’t believe even Luther or Calvin held to it – and a minority of Reformed have also rejected it. In Calvin’s mind, Justification consists “solely in the forgiveness of sins” (repeatedly in Institutes 3.11). But at that point, I think there’s no real way of speaking of “Imputation of Christ’s Righteousness,” nor is such even necessary if Justification is about forgiving sins. What is Christ even imputing to me at that point if not AOC?

    As for 2 Cor 5:19-21, I think for Christ to be “made sin” refers primarily to the Son taking on our fallen humanity, hence Romans 8:3 saying “God sent his son in the likeness of sinful flesh”. We don’t need to assume Imputation or parallel.

    To “not count sin” is a Hebrew idiom simply meaning to forgive sins (see Rom 4:7-8). This is where a study of Logizomai is crucial, because the term has nothing to do with transferring.

  4. Thanks Nick,

    I know I haven’t addressed everything yet, but I”m still just focusing on your recent comment.

    1. If you concede Luther and Calvin don’t explicitly talk about it, that’s a big admission. You may think it’s logically entailed, but obviously the progenitors of the movement didn’t explicate it. I think this means the strength of your argument is weak.

    2. Could you explain your take on 2 Cor 5 again for me? I can’t determine what you’re saying. If I’ve understood what you’ve said above you’d gloss it something like this, “19 in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them [Your Gloss: Forgiving their sins], and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin [You gloss: He sent the Son of God to be man], so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

    Your current interpretation, if I’ve represented it correctly, fails in the following ways:

    a) It does not provide a grammatical explanation for Paul’s language choice.
    b) It does not address the parallel between verses 19 & 21
    c) Ignores the fact Paul talks explicitly about imputation in this passage *at least* once

  5. Hello Brandon,

    (1) Yes, it is a big admission that neither Luther or Calvin accepted AOC. That means that the prevailing Reformed view endorsing AOC amounts to ‘another Gospel’ than the Forgiveness Alone Gospel of what the Reformers preached. To call it “optional” only raises suspicions. First, if AOC isn’t that important, then why is it treated as so important? Second, why did the need to mention/emphesize AOC even come up in the first place by later theologians? It seems that the second/third generation Reformed saw ‘holes’ in the Luther/Calvin view of Forgiveness Alone. Thus, AOC was a way to fill in the gaps, to make Faith Alone actually work. As RCSproul famously says, if we’re merely forgiven, that merely brings us to the state of innocence that Adam originally had, not the positive righteousness he needed.

    (2) I think you have properly understood my interpretation of 2 Cor 5:19-21. But I don’t see how your objections logically flow from my interpretation. How does my interpretation not explain Paul’s grammar, when I have shown “not imputing sin” is a Hebrew idiom for forgiveness and when the ESV/NASB also show “made sin” means “take on the likeness of sinful flesh”? How does it not connect 19 & 21, when I have explained “become the righteousness of God” means sins forgiven and adopted (reconciled)? As for Paul mentioning logizomai once here in the *negative*, I didn’t deny that ever, but how does that logically force us to affirm a positive imputation? My interpretation isn’t ‘mine’, but rather comes from the consensus of Church Fathers talking about 2C521.

    1. Nick,

      1. I’m glad to see that you’re now backing off the claim about AOC being absolutely necessary for the Reformation to be warranted. An avenue for future discussion is the important Protestant (and I’d argue biblical) distinctive is that justification is *not* a process. Justification is the eschatological judgment proleptically applied to all those who, by faith, are united to Christ. This distinctive is still very important, but exists outside your claims about logizomai.

      2. Okay, I’m still a bit confused.

      a) Why does Paul use Logizomai in this passage? Verse 19 states that, In Christ, God is redeeming the personified world (κόσμον). God is not “counting” (λογιζόμενος) their (the world’s) sins to them and entrusting to us (Paul and his ministry partners) the word of reconciliation.

      Now, if your interpretation is correct, then we should take Paul to mean that God is reconciling the world by forgiving the world’s sin, indiscriminately. The problem with that is 1) It’s theologically inconsistent with everything else Paul writes 2) It doesn’t make much sense of v. 20. In verse 20 Paul is explaining “therefore,” in light of God’s redemption of the world, Paul and his companions are ambassadors (πρεσβεύομεν) for Christ (ὑπὲρ Χριστοῦ). It’s even as if God is speaking directly to the Corinthians through Paul “We Beseech you on behalf of Christ. Be reconciled to God!” This logically entails that Paul is not saying the world had been forgiven, otherwise, why would the Corinthians have to do anything at all? But Paul’s ministry is to preach the Gospel. This makes me believe that your gloss of λογιζόμενος is misapplied.

      b) There is no indication the phrase “τὸν μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἁμαρτίαν ἐποίησεν” is equivalent to “ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἑαυτοῦ υἱὸν πέμψας ἐν ὁμοιώματι σαρκὸς ἁμαρτίας.” The contexts are very different and the literary parellelism of the two passages is vitally different. In Romans 8:3, Paul contrasts ἐν ὁμοιώματι σαρκὸς ἁμαρτίας (In the likeness of sinful flesh) with κατέκρινεν τὴν ἁμαρτίαν ἐν τῇ σαρκί (he condemned sin in the flesh). Paul is drawing a dichotomy between life in the flesh and life in the Spirit. Now, because Christ’s spirit lives in me, I am not driven by the passions of the flesh. If Christ is in you, you have a “mortal body” (v.11) you will be raised by the Spirit.

      In 2 Cor 5:19, Paul has already noted God is not imputing the sins of the world because he is reconciling it. And Paul then explains this reconciliation in greater detail–while the sins of the world are not being counted against it, the one who knew no sin was made sin on our behalf. What is the purpose of his being made sin (even though he is not sin)? That in him, we may become the righteousness of God. Your gloss that what Paul means in verse 21 is that the one who did not know human flesh was made flesh for us is theologically sound, but it is not exegetically grounded. At least, you have not offered an argument as to why this is what Paul means. You’ve merely cited an unrelated passage where the intent, purpose, and parallels are very different.

      One final note about the strength of your argument in this regard. Paul has a very definite meaning for flesh “sarx.” He does not use it here, and it generates numerous theological problems, IMO, to say that man and sin are equivalent in Paul’s theology. That would require a substantial argument exegetically and theologically.

      c) My point was that I don’t find your gloss persuasive, as I’ve argued above.

  6. (1) Well, I am only backing off AOC in so far as I don’t think the Reformers held to Imputation of Christ’s Righteousness either, at least not as it came to be understood. The logic as I see it is simply: If forgiveness alone is sufficient for Justification, then adding Imputed Righteousness is superfluous. Dikaioo at that point simply means forgive for the Reformers, not “declare righteous,” at least not in the AOC sense.

    (2a) I do see what you mean about indiscriminate reconciling & not-imputing, since Universalism is obviously false. So “reconciling the world” is something we both have to deal with. Either this “reconciling” is only the potential for reconciling, or else “world” here must mean only those among the elect. Similarly, not imputing their sins, if “their” means “world,” then the same thing applies: either the world has the potential to have their sins forgiven, or else only those among the elect within the world get their sins forgiven. Claiming “not imputing their sins” means “imputing their sins to Jesus” still leaves the “world” dilemma unresolved. Certainly you don’t believe the sins of the whole world were imputed to Jesus.

    I guess “not impute their sins” could refer to what Paul talks about in Romans 2:4 and 3:25, namely God’s forbearance in graciously passing over sins for a time, rather than punishing them immediately. But it doesn’t resolve the “world reconciled” dilemma you point out.

    How do you explain your comment “in light of God’s redemption of the world”? How was the world redeemed? You might be seeing something I don’t, so I very well could have a blind spot.

    (2b) I think the fact various Church Fathers have made the connection between 2C521 and Rm8:3, as well as the fact the ESV and NASB both cross reference these verses, means many people besides us think there is a connection. This isn’t an infallible guide, but it’s not unreliable either, and in fact should hold some weight.

    I truly do not see how the contexts are “very different,” since “no condemnation for those in him” (8:1) and “righteousness of God in him” don’t seem that radically different. Both refer to Justification. And “he condemned sin in the flesh” sounds very much like atonement language, compatible with your reading of 521a as ‘our sin was imputed to Jesus, Who then took the punishment’. In both contexts, Jesus was sent by the Father into the world to deal with sin.

    But more importantly, I think the burden of proof you’re demanding of me, in fairness, also should apply to you. So what verse or verses can you point to in order to substantiate your assertion that “not impute sin” and “made sin” go together, and that sin can be imputed onto a substitute sacrifice? Even the Westminster Confession Ch1 lays out the rule that if there is any dispute/question on the meaning of a verse, you must look elsewhere to a passage that speaks more clearly. In other words, dogma cannot be built around an ambiguous or disputed verse. And that seems fair to me.

    I’ve seen various Reformed, even Calvin himself, say “made sin” can possibly mean “sin offering” since hamartia can be used as shorthand for “sin offering” (see Heb 10:6), but that doesn’t entail/suggest imputing sin. It would just mean ‘he who was spotless was made a sacrificial offering’. But then you must ask when did the Son not know sin? Certainly before the Incarnation. If Jesus suffered His whole life, that means per your view sin had to be imputed to Him at the moment of Incarnation itself, such that there was no period where He “knew no sin” as a man. (Even though God said “this is my beloved son,” it seems your position teaches God’s Wrath was upon Jesus every moment, not simply Good Friday alone, since He suffered His whole life for our sins.)

  7. Nick,

    Sorry for the delay.

    How do you explain your comment “in light of God’s redemption of the world”? How was the world redeemed? You might be seeing something I don’t, so I very well could have a blind spot.

    First, I’m merely addressing your claims about the lexical definition of logizomai. I’m pointing out it doesn’t work here, so that is a problem for your argument. My position would be that Paul is speaking broadly here, of Jew & Gentile. Jews and Gentiles will both be redeemed and their sins are not “being counted against them.” God is reconciling the world to himself how? In Christ. That is, God was not counting our sins against us. How can that be? Well, Paul is imploring the Corinthians and explains in v.21 God made him who knew no sin to be sin for us. That is how God is redeeming the world in Christ. So be found in Him (by faith).

    Next,

    I truly do not see how the contexts are “very different,” since “no condemnation for those in him” (8:1) and “righteousness of God in him” don’t seem that radically different.

    Let my clarify what I am saying. I do not deny that 2 Cor 5 and Romans 8 are related and discussing a similar topic. At the same time, that does not mean they are saying the same thing.

    But more importantly, I think the burden of proof you’re demanding of me, in fairness, also should apply to you. So what verse or verses can you point to in order to substantiate your assertion that “not impute sin” and “made sin” go together, and that sin can be imputed onto a substitute sacrifice?

    My point is that “made sin” is functioning in the same semantic range as “logizomai” in v. 21. They don’t normally share the same semantic range, but in this case they do.

    Any rendering of ἐποίησεν (“poieo” meaning ‘made’) that is wooden necessarily entails Jesus was actually made a sinner…even though Paul immediately says he knew no sin. And he is made a sinner on our account/for us(ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν) and the purpose for Jesus being “made” sin is what? “That in Him, we may become the righteousness of God.”

    Moreover, it’s important to note that there is no recorded usage of ἁμαρτία “harmartia” being used as shorthand to designate a sacrifice. If you are aware of that utilization, please let me know, but I was unable to track that down and BDAG does not provide this as an option. The example you cite of Hebrews 10:6 is actually a compound utilization in the Greek to designate sin offerings, περὶ ἁμαρτίας. As a matter of fact, much of the Septuagint uses this phrase as a compound noun & verb when referring to sin sacrifices. 2 Cor 5:21 does not follow this pattern (τὸν μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν). As a result, your proposed interpretation (and Calvin’s supposition) fail on lexical and grammatical grounds.

    If Jesus suffered His whole life, that means per your view sin had to be imputed to Him at the moment of Incarnation itself, such that there was no period where He “knew no sin” as a man.

    I’m not quite sure what you’re talking about. Can you explain? I certainly don’t hold to any of the views you believe are implications of my interpretation of 2 Cor 5.

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